Subject: AH Challenge: New World Order Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:41:39 GMT From: dmoser@mork.uni.uiuc.edu (Huldreich Zwingli) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if With only one PoD and so ASBs have an non-European dominated globe. Subject: Re: AH Challenge: New World Order Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:58:36 -0800 From: "Jesse Brocksmith" Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 In the 1300's (?) Chinese Admiral Ho, with his ships being much more powerful and larger than any european ship, continues around the Cape of Good Hope and "discovers" Europe. They establish colonies all along the Western and Eastern Coasts of Africa, and India. He also sends navies East to find another route to Europe and discovers the Americas. The Chinese get a two hundred year leap in exploration and colonization over Europe. Christopher Colubus, heads west across the Atlantic, and "finds China" on the East coast of North America. In OTL The Admiral was told by the Emperor to stop exploring, so all we would have needed was a more curious Chinese Emperor. Jesse Huldreich Zwingli wrote in message news:3a930078.276112935@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu... > With only one PoD and so ASBs have an non-European dominated globe. Subject: Re: AH Challenge: New World Order Date: 21 Feb 2001 02:51:08 GMT From: cassiusmaxim@aol.com (Emperor) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 Ogodai Khan's death is delayed by a couple years. Subject: Re: AH Challenge: New World Order Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:52:01 GMT From: sarcastic_jew@yahoo.com Organization: AT&T Worldnet Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:58:36 -0800, "Jesse Brocksmith" wrote: >In the 1300's (?) Chinese Admiral Ho, with his ships being much more >powerful and larger than any european ship, continues around the Cape of >Good Hope and "discovers" Europe. They establish colonies all along the >Western and Eastern Coasts of Africa, and India. He also sends navies East >to find another route to Europe and discovers the Americas. The Chinese get >a two hundred year leap in exploration and colonization over Europe. > Christopher Colubus, heads west across the Atlantic, and "finds >China" on the East coast of North America. >In OTL The Admiral was told by the Emperor to stop exploring, so all we >would have needed was a more curious Chinese Emperor. > It's a bit more complicated than that. The Chinese were in no wise interested in "colonizing" anyplace. Trading, maybe. Zheng He's reaching Europe would have an unspeakably profound effect on Europe, but not all that much on China, IMHO Ivan Hodes Oh, he who'd make his fellow creatures wise Should always guild the philosophic pill W.S. Gilbert, "The Yeomen of the Guard" Subject: Re: AH Challenge: New World Order Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:23:30 GMT From: craigneumeier@netscape.net (Craig Neumeier) Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:41:39 GMT, dmoser@mork.uni.uiuc.edu (Huldreich Zwingli) wrote: >With only one PoD and so ASBs have an non-European dominated globe. See "Ezcalli" in GURPS Alternate Earths (the Carthaginians discover America), and "Ming-3" and "Caliph" in GURPS Alternate Earths 2 (Chinese from Cheng Ho, and Muslims from an internal scientific/industrial revolution, respectively). --Craig Subject: Re: AH Challenge: New World Order Date: 21 Feb 2001 09:38:40 GMT From: mwstone@aol.com (mike stone) Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 >From: dmoser@mork.uni.uiuc.edu (Huldreich Zwingli) >With only one PoD and so ASBs have an non-European dominated globe. > Constantinople falls to the Arabs in 718AD The Danube valley is soon conquered or converted, and 500 years on virtually all Europe is Moslem -- Mike Stone - Peterborough England "The English people are like the English beer. Froth on top, dregs at the bottom, the middle excellent" - Voltaire Subject: Re: AH Challenge: New World Order Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:24:23 GMT From: "Robert J. Kolker" Organization: Road Runner Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 Huldreich Zwingli wrote: > With only one PoD and so ASBs have an non-European dominated globe. Every one in Europe dies of the Bubonic Plague. Bob Kolker