From - Fri Mar 02 15:19:27 2001 Path: sn-us!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: congyoglas@aol.comgentboss (President Chester A. Arthur) Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if Date: 02 Mar 2001 07:44:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: 1800-Termites and History Message-ID: <20010302024427.02348.00000193@ng-mq1.aol.com> Xref: sn-us soc.history.what-if:316267 December 25, 1800 Britain The de jure King Louis XVIII of France and his brother Charles, Comte de Artois, together with their families, hangers-on, essentially the entire Bourbon court in exile in France, are crammed into an isolated old cathedral to pray for a speedy defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte and their own return to the sweet, sweet lap of luxury. Even the Orleanist heir, Louis-Phillip, has made his way here to impress the Bourbons on his desire for concilation between the two French royal houses. Until, of course, the roof collapses in a bloody, crushing shower of statuary and masonry, killing 300 of the assembled 319 worshippers. Most of the survivors are ladies in waiting and royal guards who were crammed into the entryway of the cathedral. No one with significant claim to the throne of France survives, no one with more than a few traces of royal blood survives at all. Effects? President Chester A. Arthur, who's always invading the UK... Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: 02 Mar 2001 17:17:48 GMT From: mwstone@aol.com (mike stone) Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 >Subject: 1800-Termites and History >From: congyoglas@aol.comgentboss (President Chester A. Arthur) >The de jure King Louis XVIII of France and his brother Charles, Comte de >Artois, together with their families, hangers-on, essentially the entire >Bourbon court in exile in France, are crammed into an isolated old cathedral >to pray for a speedy defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte and their own return to the >sweet, sweet lap of luxury. Even the Orleanist heir, Louis-Phillip, has made >his way here to impress the Bourbons on his desire for concilation between >the >two French royal houses. > >Until, of course, the roof collapses in a bloody, crushing shower of statuary >and masonry, killing 300 of the assembled 319 worshippers. Most of the >survivors are ladies in waiting and royal guards who were crammed into the >entryway of the cathedral. No one with significant claim to the throne of >France survives, no one with more than a few traces of royal blood survives >at >all. > >Effects? What was the Duc D'Orleans - later King Louis Philippe - doing in 1800? Istr that after going into exile from France in 1793, he spent quite a bit of time in the US, but I'm not sure of the dates. Certainly he was regarded with great suspicion by the "regular" Bourbons, and even if in England might well not have been invited to such a function -- Mike Stone - Peterborough England "The English people are like the English beer. Froth on top, dregs at the bottom, the middle excellent" - Voltaire Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: 02 Mar 2001 17:22:04 GMT From: congyoglas@aol.comgentboss (President Chester A. Arthur) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 >Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History >From: mwstone@aol.com (mike stone) >Date: 3/2/01 11:17 AM Central Standard Time >Message-id: <20010302121749.23121.00000071@ng-ba1.aol.com> > >>Subject: 1800-Termites and History >>From: congyoglas@aol.comgentboss (President Chester A. Arthur) > >>The de jure King Louis XVIII of France and his brother Charles, Comte de >>Artois, together with their families, hangers-on, essentially the entire >>Bourbon court in exile in France, are crammed into an isolated old >cathedral >>to pray for a speedy defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte and their own return to >the >>sweet, sweet lap of luxury. Even the Orleanist heir, Louis-Phillip, has made >>his way here to impress the Bourbons on his desire for concilation between >>the >>two French royal houses. >> >>Until, of course, the roof collapses in a bloody, crushing shower of >statuary >>and masonry, killing 300 of the assembled 319 worshippers. Most of the >>survivors are ladies in waiting and royal guards who were crammed into the >>entryway of the cathedral. No one with significant claim to the throne of >>France survives, no one with more than a few traces of royal blood survives >>at >>all. >> >>Effects? > >What was the Duc D'Orleans - later King Louis Philippe - doing in 1800? > >Istr that after going into exile from France in 1793, he spent quite a bit of >time in the US, but I'm not sure of the dates. > He returned from the US in 1800, actually, going straight to Britain, where he went about trying to promote solidarity between the Orleanists and Bourbons. >Certainly he was regarded with great suspicion by the "regular" Bourbons, and >even if in England might well not have been invited to such a function Right, but since he was working toward conciliation between them, he'll be invited along as a gesture of mutual solidarity. President Chester A. Arthur, who's always invading the UK... Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: 2 Mar 2001 12:55:17 -0500 From: Joseph Major Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 President Chester A. Arthur wrote: : : December 25, 1800 : Britain : : The de jure King Louis XVIII of France and his brother Charles, Comte de : Artois, together with their families, hangers-on, essentially the entire : Bourbon court in exile in France, are crammed into an isolated old cathedral : to pray for a speedy defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte and their own return to the : sweet, sweet lap of luxury. Even the Orleanist heir, Louis-Phillip, has made : his way here to impress the Bourbons on his desire for concilation between the : two French royal houses. : : Until, of course, the roof collapses in a bloody, crushing shower of statuary : and masonry, killing 300 of the assembled 319 worshippers. Most of the : survivors are ladies in waiting and royal guards who were crammed into the : entryway of the cathedral. No one with significant claim to the throne of : France survives, no one with more than a few traces of royal blood survives at : all. Are Louis-Philippe's brothers Antoine and Louis-Charles also there? Then: Madrid, 1800 King Carlos IV of Spain calls in his two oldest children, Fernando and Carlos. He says, "Mi hijo, Fernando, from this day forward you are no longer Principe de Asturias. Carlos, Principe de Asturias, I give you the honor of being the first to do homage to the new King of France and Navarre, Ferdinand I! Vive le Roy! Viva el Rey!" This is the problem that plagues French royalists today, whether or not the renunication of Philippe duc d'Anjou/Felipe V applies in the event of the failure of the other lines of descendants of Louis XIV. Joseph T Major -- Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: 02 Mar 2001 19:16:44 GMT From: congyoglas@aol.comgentboss (President Chester A. Arthur) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 >Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History >From: Joseph Major jtmajor@shell1.iglou.com >Date: 3/2/01 11:55 AM Central Standard Time >Message-id: <3a9fde85_2@news.iglou.com> > > > Are Louis-Philippe's brothers Antoine and Louis-Charles also >there? Yep. > Then: > > Madrid, 1800 > King Carlos IV of Spain calls in his two oldest children, Fernando >and Carlos. He says, "Mi hijo, Fernando, from this day forward you are no >longer Principe de Asturias. Carlos, Principe de Asturias, I give you the >honor of being the first to do homage to the new King of France and >Navarre, Ferdinand I! Vive le Roy! Viva el Rey!" > Whereupon which, if I were Carlos, my exact response would be "Gee, thanks, Dad, you're a real peach." > This is the problem that plagues French royalists today, whether >or not the renunication of Philippe duc d'Anjou/Felipe V applies in the >event of the failure of the other lines of descendants of Louis XIV. Right, I wasn't familiar with the Spanish connection, offhand... So, let's say Ferdinand sticks it out and behaves simliarly to OTL when Napoleon invades. (Napoleon's invasion can be prompted by the refusal of the Spanish royal house to reaffirm the earlier renunciation of the Spanish throne.) What's that do? President Chester A. Arthur, who's always invading the UK... Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:28:09 -0400 From: Randy McDonald Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 Joseph Major wrote: > > [deletia] > > Are Louis-Philippe's brothers Antoine and Louis-Charles also > there? > Then: > > Madrid, 1800 > King Carlos IV of Spain calls in his two oldest children, Fernando > and Carlos. He says, "Mi hijo, Fernando, from this day forward you are no > longer Principe de Asturias. Carlos, Principe de Asturias, I give you the > honor of being the first to do homage to the new King of France and > Navarre, Ferdinand I! Vive le Roy! Viva el Rey!" > > This is the problem that plagues French royalists today, whether > or not the renunication of Philippe duc d'Anjou/Felipe V applies in the > event of the failure of the other lines of descendants of Louis XIV. Somehow, I doubt that the British will appreciate a Franco-Spanish union. :-) Barring a restoration of some minor princeling or duke, perhaps the most immediate result once the Napoleonic Wars are done might be the enthronement of a foreign prince -- a Spanish Bourbon or Italian Savoyard (or Sicilian Bourbon?) or a Wittelsbach? Perhaps Napoleon II might become king. Maybe. Progress towards a French republic will certainly be more rapid than OTL. > Joseph T Major Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:27:37 +0100 From: Angus M McLellan Organization: Wanadoo Belgium Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 , 3 On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:28:09 -0400 Randy McDonald wrote: >Joseph Major wrote: >> King Carlos IV of Spain calls in his two oldest children, Fernando >> and Carlos. He says, "Mi hijo, Fernando, from this day forward you are no >> longer Principe de Asturias. Carlos, Principe de Asturias, I give you the >> honor of being the first to do homage to the new King of France and >> Navarre, Ferdinand I! Vive le Roy! Viva el Rey!" > >Somehow, I doubt that the British will appreciate a Franco-Spanish >union. :-) Principe de Asturias is the Spanish equivalent of Prince of Wales. Ferdinand is now King of France, his father is still King of Spain and his brother Carlos is now heir-apparent to the Spanish throne. What Union ? Angus Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:20:21 +0100 From: "Dragan Antulov" Organization: Iskon Internet d.d. Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 "President Chester A. Arthur" wrote in message news:20010302024427.02348.00000193@ng-mq1.aol.com... > December 25, 1800 > Britain > entryway of the cathedral. No one with significant claim to the throne of > France survives, no one with more than a few traces of royal blood survives at > all. > Effects? They would invent someone, same as in the film KING RALPH. -- Dragan Antulov a.k.a. Drax Fido: 2:381/100 E-mail: dragan.antulov@st.tel.hr E-mail: dragan.antulov@altbbs.fido.hr E-mail: drax@purger.com Filmske recenzije na hrvatskom/Movie Reviews in Croatian http://film.purger.com Subject: Re: 1800-Termites and History Date: 04 Mar 2001 16:15:47 GMT From: coyu@aol.com.invalid (Coyu) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 Dragan Antulov wrote: >> France survives, no one with more than a few traces of royal blood >> survives at all. > >> Effects? > >They would invent someone, same as in the film KING RALPH. Struggling actor-playwright Jean-Raphael Bonhomme is recruited by M. Talleyrand oh my god i just saw the pit of hell open up. -- Remove .invalid from my address to respond.