Subject: 
            No Black Death
       Date: 
            30 Jun 2001 10:25:17 GMT
       From: 
            kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk
Organization: 
            CIX - Compulink Information eXchange
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            soc.history.what-if


 European population seems to have peaked at about 1300. However by 
then it had entered a climatic downturn.
 There were famines in England in 1272,1277,1283,1292 and 1311. 
Between 1315 and 1319 almost every country in Europe lost the whole of 
at least one harvest. 1332 was another bad year and the period between 
1345 and 1348 would have seemed uniquely unfortunate in any other 
century. (Ziegler, The Black Death)
 The arrival of the BD did a lot to ease pressure on food production. 
Now what if there was no BD? Here we have a Europe wide population 
that has run up against Maulthus. What is more the climatic change had 
reduced the amount of cultivatable land. Large areas of marginal land 
had been brought into production in the previous century. This became 
useless under the changing conditions.
 Thoughts?

Ken Young
kenney@cix.co.uk
Maternity is a matter of fact
Paternity is a matter of opinion

Subject: 
            Re: No Black Death
       Date: 
            1 Jul 2001 15:47:21 -0700
       From: 
            antigonos_jb@hotmail.com (diadoch)
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            http://groups.google.com/
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            soc.history.what-if
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kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote in message news:<9hk9ed$f2u$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>...
> European population seems to have peaked at about 1300. However by 
> then it had entered a climatic downturn.
>  There were famines in England in 1272,1277,1283,1292 and 1311. 
> Between 1315 and 1319 almost every country in Europe lost the whole of 
> at least one harvest. 1332 was another bad year and the period between 
> 1345 and 1348 would have seemed uniquely unfortunate in any other 
> century. (Ziegler, The Black Death)
>  The arrival of the BD did a lot to ease pressure on food production. 
> Now what if there was no BD? Here we have a Europe wide population 
> that has run up against Maulthus. What is more the climatic change had 
> reduced the amount of cultivatable land. Large areas of marginal land 
> had been brought into production in the previous century. This became 
> useless under the changing conditions.
>  Thoughts?


Migration east into Russia/Poland.  A Christendom that stretches from
Portugal to the Urals by 1500 but is much less vibrant than in OTL.